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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the oleo oil, If you have the original springs, p/n 4015B, then just some good quality tractor oil. However if you have the newer 4161B springs, then you must use API GL-4 or GL-5 85W-140 gear oil.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Duane wrote:
On the oleo oil, If you have the original springs, p/n 4015B, then just some good quality tractor oil. However if you have the newer 4161B springs, then you must use API GL-4 or GL-5 85W-140 gear oil.


This is first that I’ve heard this. What is the rational behind needing the different fluid with the new springs?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It came about by the way we had to do the drop test with the new springs. The thicker oil helps by slowing down the compression and in dampening. Our friendly FAA had changed the way we had to test them over the way it was done originally.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah. In other words, if one was to inadvertently use the old-spec oil in an airplane that had the new springs, it would function and react more or less like they always had prior to the new testing regime.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LA LA LA I didn't hear anything. Cool
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:48 pm    Post subject: New rules Reply with quote

Now play nice Andy you know they only make new rules to protect us from ourselves Rolling Eyes
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The MAN is just trying to keep us down! Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have the new 4161B springs with synthetic 85W-140 gear oil and i don't notice any difference in compression or rebound. i do notice that the new springs sit up taller than the 10 year old ones they replaced. and the extended landing gear makes seeing over the cowling an entirely new challenge Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

finally the landing gear is back on.. 21yrs since the last time!!! a milestone has been reached.



on a side note, is it correct that where the main gear and the oleo strut join, there is no bushing_ the hole seems quite large. only thing I can think of, is that the bolt has to be thighten quite a lot, for the 2 bushing inside the oleo to fit in the large hole.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Something wrong with that picture. The hole is too big.
There should be a swivel bushing but I see no way it can be captured.
The hole must have been opened out for some unknown reason.
At this point I would advise getting the extended gear, though that does mean extended oleo struts too though you can use your existing spring packs as long as you have the latest type.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mad Mad .. just found it.. it's the same part number for the oleo ball bearing.

does it normally need to be pressed in with force?
what is the correct hole diameter?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am not at hangar but according to memory it fits up against a shoulder and is either peined in four places or held with circlip.
I don't know outside diameter of bearing or inside of hole.
The upper bearing in top of oleo is positioned with thick spacers on each side of the bearing between the landing gear lugs. The nut is torqued on the bolt at 225 inch lbs. Be sure correct amount of washers are used to prevent torqueing against the shank, easy mistake as the lugs are slightly splayed and are pulled together prior to achieving torque value. Cannot be acurately torqued with bolt head.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That hole size should be .810 dia.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I looked, there is no shoulder, the bearing is held in by pruning four points on both sides at the lower attach point. However the upper attach does have a shoulder and the bearing is held in with a spring circling.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

upper attach is properly installed.
Have measured the bore size today and is within specs, so tomorrow will press in the bearing.
Today have also cut the central tube in the from doors and welded in a curved bar to increase cabin size. Pics to follow.
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